Wielbark culture Y-DNA

 Incomplete list of haplogroups from the Wielbark culture

Kowalewko

Kow_22 PCA0027 ~ 80-110/120 AD M CTS35 G2a2b2a1a1b1a1a2 https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z726/
Kow_24 PCA0029 ~ 10-375 AD unknown I1 or female*
Kow_25 PCA0030 ~ 110/120-160 AD F
Kow_26 PCA0031 ~ 10-375 AD F
Kow_29 PCA0034 ~ 80-260 AD F
Kow_31 PCA0036 ~ 80-260 AD M FGC8303 G2a2b2a1a1b1a1a2a1b1 https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Y3101/
Kow_35 PCA0040 ~ 80-260 AD M CTS12891 G2a2b2a1, conflicting downstream mutations https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-CTS796/
Kow_41 PCA0046 ~ 110/120-160 AD M S12223 I1a3a1a2a1a~ https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-S11991/
Kow_48 PCA0053 ~ 80-260 AD F
Kow_54 PCA0059 ~ 110/120-160 AD F
Kow_57 PCA0062 ~ 80-260 AD M PF3331 G2a2b2a1 https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-CTS796/
 

Masłomęcz

Mas_1 PCA0088 211AD-383AD M low chrX and chrY coverage CTS8868 N1a1a1a1a1a https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-VL29/
Mas_23 PCA0110 124AD-257AD M M CTS6229,CTS3287,CTS12527 E1b1b1a1b1 https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V13/
Mas_26 PCA0113 ~ 200AD-400AD - low chrX and chrY coverage SK1406 J2b2a~ https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M241/

Comments

Vincent said…
Can you please provide a source for these results?
ambron said…
A z jakim profilem autosomalnym związana jest ta próbka N1a - skandynawskim czy bałtyckim?

Pamiętajmy też, że mamy w zapowiedziach jeszcze dwie próbki Z280+ z Masłomęcza.
Arza said…
@ Vincent

Sure!
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mjv4y7zaloy1zfs/AAArJ631EQvFnL5exiSk1R_La?dl=0
Arza said…
@ ambron

Myslím, že bude lepšie, ak budeme písať v angličtine.

Only 1500 SNPs from this sample overlap with K36 dataset, so running any analysis is tricky to say the least. But I'll be surprised if it's not Baltic as the similarity peaks in Latvia as you can see here.
Gaetuli said…
@Arza
Hello in any which file found this result and thanks
Arza said…
@ Gaetuli

Hi. Which result you have in mind exactly?
Gaetuli said…
@Arza hi this result any which file found
Incomplete list of haplogroups from the Wielbark culture
Kowalewko
Kow_22 PCA0027 ~ 80-110/120 AD M CTS35 G2a2b2a1a1b1a1a2 https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z726/
Kow_24 PCA0029 ~ 10-375 AD unknown I1 or female*
Kow_25 PCA0030 ~ 110/120-160 AD F
Kow_26 PCA0031 ~ 10-375 AD F
Kow_29 PCA0034 ~ 80-260 AD F
Kow_31 PCA0036 ~ 80-260 AD M FGC8303 G2a2b2a1a1b1a1a2a1b1 https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Y3101/
Kow_35 PCA0040 ~ 80-260 AD M CTS12891 G2a2b2a1, conflicting downstream mutations https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-CTS796/
Kow_41 PCA0046 ~ 110/120-160 AD M S12223 I1a3a1a2a1a~ https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-S11991/
Kow_48 PCA0053 ~ 80-260 AD F
Kow_54 PCA0059 ~ 110/120-160 AD F
Kow_57 PCA0062 ~ 80-260 AD M PF3331 G2a2b2a1 https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-CTS796/

Masłomęcz
Mas_1 PCA0088 211AD-383AD M low chrX and chrY coverage CTS8868 N1a1a1a1a1a https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-VL29/
Mas_23 PCA0110 124AD-257AD M M CTS6229,CTS3287,CTS12527 E1b1b1a1b1 https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V13/
Mas_26 PCA0113 ~ 200AD-400AD - low chrX and chrY coverage SK1406 J2b2a~ https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M241/
ambron said…
Tak toczina, tawarisz Arza! Budiem gawarit' pa angliczieskij.

It is worth recalling what the researcher of its genetics, Ireneusz Stolarek, says about the Masłomęcz population:

"Genetic diversity of Mas-VBIA was a result of two demographic events:
1) Migration of Goths east of Vistula and admixture with local populations,
2) Migration of the admixed populations towards Black Sea, admixture with the local steppe populations and back migration of the Chernyakhov people to the Maslomecz".

We now know that this local population had Baltic haplogroups (N and Z280) and Baltic SNPs. In terms of mtDNA, the entire population of Masłomęcz generally groups with the Eastern Slavs. So if in the early Middle Ages we find outliners somewhere in the west genetically similar to Eastern Slavs or Balts, they are more likely to come from eastern Poland than from the middle Dnieper.
Arza said…
@ Gaetuli

I don't think that I understand what you are trying to say and I have no idea what you're asking for.

If you're asking for the source files they're located here (fastq):

ftp://parrot.genomics.cn/gigadb/pub/10.5524/100001_101000/100310/Raw_data/

"Deep sequencing" files from Kowalewko are located here:
ftp://parrot.genomics.cn/gigadb/pub/10.5524/100001_101000/100310/Metaphlan2_Deep/

These are bams aligned to microbial genomes, so you need to realign them to the hg19 reference first.
Arza said…
@ ambron

IMHO you should focus on a completely different aspect and start asking about the subclades of N characteristic to Proto-Slavs.

If there was Y-DNA N with apparently Baltic autosomal profile in SE Poland, certainly it was present also in Belarus or NE Ukraine at that time.
ambron said…
Arza, I understand! If the typical Slavic clades R1a and I2a come from the middle Dnieper, why do we not have the typical Slavic clades N1, since this haplogroup was present there in the times before the Slavic migrations?
Arza said…
Exactly!
Moreover there is no Uralic admixture among the Early Slavs. Just like there is no R1a-Z93 or whatever Asiatic admixture Scythians from Järve et al. had.
BTW I meant NW Ukraine of course (Maslomecz is ~100 km south of Belarus).
ambron said…
It is clear to me that the East Slavs cannot be Proto-Slavs because they are genetically located between the Balts and the Poles. In this situation, a question should be asked: if not the well-documented Slavization of the Balts, then what other process created the East Slavs?
Arza said…
@ ambron
Don't forget that Ukrainians or Carpathian Rusyns are East Slavs too. Depending on the used dataset they can be more "western" than Poles.

Mixing with Balts and Uralics certainly had impact on a lot of East Slavs, but it didn't create this division.

what other process created the East Slavs?

IMHO Slavs were divided well before the Early Medieval migrations. Distribution of I2-Din is a key here.
ambron said…
I meant NE Poles, Belarusians, N Ukrainians and European Russians (except for N Russians) who lie between the Balts and Poles and who do not differ genetically between each other. This is how the Proto-Slavs were supposed to look genetically according to David and Michał. However, until recently, before the process of Slavization, they were the Balts. Genetics perfectly illustrate the process of Slavization in this case. On the other hand, SW Ukraine, including Carpathian Ruthenia, are geographically and genetically Western Slavs, despite the East Slavic language.
ambron said…
Of course, the Slavs were dialectally diverse already in their homeland, in the vicinity of the Carpathians. The population of the Carpathian region lies in the center of the Slavic genetic variation, so most likely the Proto-Slavs looked like this. Anyway, as we know, the Balto-Slavic drift appears the earliest in the northern Carpathians.

I have your I1a-Din map. I hope it will be the subject of one of your next posts on this blog.
Arza said…
@ ambron

Mas_1 PCA0088 211AD-383AD Wielbark 200AD-400AD
VK579 Sweden Oland IronAge 200-400 CE N1a1a1a1a H1s

Target: VK2020_SWE_Oland_IA:VK579
Distance: 1.9591% / 0.01959063
23.4 Danish
22.6 Irish
15.6 Finnish
13.4 Lithuanian_SZ

12.8 Swedish
7.8 Icelandic
1.8 Luhya_Kenya
1.2 Karelian
1.0 Mbuti
0.2 Dutch
0.2 Karitiana

ambron said…
Note the Oland IA interpolation map at Margaryan; the population of northern Poland is in the area of the closest kinship.
Arza said…
Which map? There are a lot of them in this publication.
Arza said…
This one? Polish ancestry is in the lower left corner. All blue. Zero.

Moreover I don't think that this sample (VK579) is present in this analysis as it's missing from the S6 Table (Ancestry estimates).

Seeing Poles even in the Uralic-admixed Scandinavians is not helpful at all. Calling every possible sample a Pole or a Slav is as meaningless as calling every post-CWC sample "strongly Germanic".
bce said…
@ambron
"I meant NE Poles, Belarusians, N Ukrainians and European Russians (except for N Russians) who lie between the Balts and Poles and who do not differ genetically between each other."

N Ukrainians and Voronezh Russians are different from the others here.
According to G25 they have a southern shift towards the Moldovan Scythians (Dacians).

Carpathian Ukrainians have significant modern Romanian and Hungarian admixture on the other hand.
ambron said…
Arza, the third map. As I said: the population of northern Poland in the area of the closest kinship. Origin from Polish IA zero, because zero samples from Polish IA, same as from British, Italian and Finnish. Only three IA samples - Norwegian, Danish and Swedish from Oland - are analyzed in the study.

Try the Oland model with Kashubs (there are some in the G25). Look at the map; Kashubs will be a better proxy than the Danes, Finns and Lithuanians. The Kashubs have a lot eastern Baltic origin.
ambron said…
Arza, you get me wrong. I am not looking for Polish genes where they were not. However, if they were somewhere, I just speak loudly about it.
ambron said…
bce, these are the details. Generally, the majority of listed populations are characterized by a very small range of genetic variation and are grouped on a small plot of the PCA between the Balts and Poles.
Arza said…
@ ambron
You've completely misinterpreted this map. It doesn't show any kinship with N Poland. What it shows is that the sample from Oland is almost completely "Swedish", sample from S Norway doesn't have any "Swedish" ancestry, and the other two are intermediate. It also shows the interpolated gradient of possible distribution of this "Swedish" component in Scandinavia. That's all.
ambron said…
Arza, don't be angry with me, but I guess the interpretation is correct. To be more precise: the population of northern Poland has more than 75% origin from common ancestors with the Swedish IA population, represented by the Oland sample. I saw a PCA somewhere where Oland was located near the Kashubians. Drop Oland on PCA and try the Oland model with Kashubs; we'll see what comes out...
Arza said…
They don't compare IA samples to modern day European populations. It's just a visualisation of their model from the S6 Table.

Third panel shows the amount of the "Swedish-like" ancestry and possible gradient of it between the four plotted Iron Age samples. It has nothing to do with Northern Poland. What you see is just an artefact.
ambron said…
So let's leave the maps alone. However, it would be worth seeing Oland at the PCA and in models with Kashubia. I have already seen the similarity of Oland to the Kashubians in some analyzes. If there is such a similarity, it is not accidental, because they are geographically close regions. This similarity would be an obvious proof that the Kashubians did not come to the Baltic Sea in the Middle Ages from the Dnieper.
Arza said…
Unfortunately I don't have any Kashubian samples.
ambron said…
There are maybe two or three in the G25.
Arza said…
I've seen only this plot: https://i.imgur.com/P6wVHqY.png
But I don't have coordinates of this sample as it's not in the official spreadsheet.
ambron said…
This is Kashubians from the Tomenable base. This is the indigenous Kashubian from grandfather great-grandfather. The Kashubians of the G25 are the four Slavs to the left from him.
Arza said…
Oh, I didn't know that!
Arza said…
Re: Y-DNA N in Maslomecz

Uralic artefacts in a nearby Wielbark cemetery:
https://youtu.be/plCYJa3AIXc?t=10777
J.R.Cisowski said…
Dear Sirs,
how can I get a BAM/CRAM file, for a sample (~110/120-160 AD M S12223 I1a3a1a2a1a~ https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/I-S11991/ ) "Kow_41 / PCA0046 (PC46) / SRS1815358 / SAMN06046935 / TaxonomicID: 447426"; I would like to send it to the yFull team. I am very interested as my haplogroup is under I-S11991!

I-Y250574 < I-Y39738 < I-Y42065 < I-S11991 / I-S12223 < I-Y6228 < I-Y3979 < I-S10360 ; my id in yFull is id:YF083833 and of my father is id:YF110052.

Yours sincerely, Jan Roman Sas Cisowski.
Arza said…
Hi J.R.Cisowski,

you should download the fastq file and align it to the human reference genome using BWA-aln. But it's doubtful that this sample would be in any way useful to Yfull as its quality is ultra low. We need to wait for high quality genomes.